Guys don't understand how quick anabolic steroids convert to estrogen. They just want to do a shot or take a pill. If this was the case anyone could grow. When your young and juicing you seem to get by. But the more you cycle and the more you age, estrogen will be ruling it's ugly head. Here is a picture of a friend a few days before taking arimidex and the taken it Anti-estrogen will push all that water out that is covering your muscle bellies. Before a show I never worked my abs. It was through dieting, anti-estrogen and the art of mastering how to pull the water from under the skin and into the muscle. There is a article in this fourm about getting water from under skin.