Isay this with everything. If what you are getting is real, You don't need crazy dose. I do bods and if my IGF1 levels are too high it could wake up things in your body that you would normally get at 80- or 90 years old. I took the IGF that Big D took and love it. I did not need to do much. The pumps were amazing. Big D and I had a good ride on IGF back in the day. AGAIN SPEND THE DARN MONEY AND GET REAL STUFF.