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Bodybuilding Discussion => Training, Cycles & Diets => Topic started by: Big Chicken on February 09, 2024, 07:26:10 am
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
Well brother, what do you recommend. My back is the only thing that grows on me. It is also the body part I train the least yet is the most defined and got a good spread.
DC Pull Ups work better, as your hips are forward of the bar and the pulling motion places more emphasis on the lats, terres and romboids than a standard pull up. Pull downs keeping the hands, wrists and elbows on one line and driving your elbows down and back. I prefer a neutral grip, but that is really just a preference. I cannot say a neutral grip causes more growth, but I get more mind muscle connection. Even when I am using weight that is 50 lbs heavier than me, I can still feel the entire movement. Even single arm pull downs with the palm facing away from you at the top of the movement and rotating it to where the palm is facing your shoulder as you drive the elbow deep in to the rib cage and squeeze the lat. The pump can get really bad on this one.
Thanks GF, I will incorporate DC pullups in my regimen. What about lat pulldown with the cables with a tilt back. I looked up DC pullups and no way is am I gonna get a bar and a bench to do them on.
I think single arm pulldowns would be easier with the cable.
I think everyone should have a slight lean back on their lat pull downs if using a neutral or overhand grip. You can just look at the ROM difference between being straight vertical and with a little lean back. You are so limited being completely vertical.
I really like DC Rows, as well, but what I have found is this is a really hard movement to teach. I have shown this to a couple dozen clients and as soon as the movement starts to get hard they start to cheat the movement and not allow their arms to fully extended and lats to stretch out. They will keep their arms bent and their triceps give out before their backs.
Great info brother.
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
Well brother, what do you recommend. My back is the only thing that grows on me. It is also the body part I train the least yet is the most defined and got a good spread.
DC Pull Ups work better, as your hips are forward of the bar and the pulling motion places more emphasis on the lats, terres and romboids than a standard pull up. Pull downs keeping the hands, wrists and elbows on one line and driving your elbows down and back. I prefer a neutral grip, but that is really just a preference. I cannot say a neutral grip causes more growth, but I get more mind muscle connection. Even when I am using weight that is 50 lbs heavier than me, I can still feel the entire movement. Even single arm pull downs with the palm facing away from you at the top of the movement and rotating it to where the palm is facing your shoulder as you drive the elbow deep in to the rib cage and squeeze the lat. The pump can get really bad on this one.
Thanks GF, I will incorporate DC pullups in my regimen. What about lat pulldown with the cables with a tilt back. I looked up DC pullups and no way is am I gonna get a bar and a bench to do them on.
I think single arm pulldowns would be easier with the cable.
I think everyone should have a slight lean back on their lat pull downs if using a neutral or overhand grip. You can just look at the ROM difference between being straight vertical and with a little lean back. You are so limited being completely vertical.
I really like DC Rows, as well, but what I have found is this is a really hard movement to teach. I have shown this to a couple dozen clients and as soon as the movement starts to get hard they start to cheat the movement and not allow their arms to fully extended and lats to stretch out. They will keep their arms bent and their triceps give out before their backs.
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
Well brother, what do you recommend. My back is the only thing that grows on me. It is also the body part I train the least yet is the most defined and got a good spread.
DC Pull Ups work better, as your hips are forward of the bar and the pulling motion places more emphasis on the lats, terres and romboids than a standard pull up. Pull downs keeping the hands, wrists and elbows on one line and driving your elbows down and back. I prefer a neutral grip, but that is really just a preference. I cannot say a neutral grip causes more growth, but I get more mind muscle connection. Even when I am using weight that is 50 lbs heavier than me, I can still feel the entire movement. Even single arm pull downs with the palm facing away from you at the top of the movement and rotating it to where the palm is facing your shoulder as you drive the elbow deep in to the rib cage and squeeze the lat. The pump can get really bad on this one.
Thanks GF, I will incorporate DC pullups in my regimen. What about lat pulldown with the cables with a tilt back. I looked up DC pullups and no way is am I gonna get a bar and a bench to do them on.
I think single arm pulldowns would be easier with the cable.
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
Well brother, what do you recommend. My back is the only thing that grows on me. It is also the body part I train the least yet is the most defined and got a good spread.
DC Pull Ups work better, as your hips are forward of the bar and the pulling motion places more emphasis on the lats, terres and romboids than a standard pull up. Pull downs keeping the hands, wrists and elbows on one line and driving your elbows down and back. I prefer a neutral grip, but that is really just a preference. I cannot say a neutral grip causes more growth, but I get more mind muscle connection. Even when I am using weight that is 50 lbs heavier than me, I can still feel the entire movement. Even single arm pull downs with the palm facing away from you at the top of the movement and rotating it to where the palm is facing your shoulder as you drive the elbow deep in to the rib cage and squeeze the lat. The pump can get really bad on this one.
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
Well brother, what do you recommend. My back is the only thing that grows on me. It is also the body part I train the least yet is the most defined and got a good spread.
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All very good exercises for building back.
The problem with things like pullups for back is that when most people fail the lift, there back is not what fails. Their shoulders or biceps fail, even with an overhand grip. Your back has many more reps to give. I call it a good upper body exercise, but horrible back exercise.
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I only do two. pull ups and DB row. My back grows pretty easy where as the rest of me does not. It is wasted mass in boxing.
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