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Health Care & Concerns => Health Awareness => Topic started by: Big Chicken on September 22, 2024, 11:21:50 am
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What was his levels on 600 mg of test? I've learned Every one is different Think most of us know. Until we work with different clients.
FYI I've learned most of these guys on boards do not check any levels and Def don't believe in Anti estrogens. Then they complain how stuff ain't working. when I get their labs and add what they need. Their, like I'm sorry. SMH. I'm thinking I'm sorry you didn't listen. I warned you.
Since I've been on boards. Most do not no what Ant-estrogen is. They just want Test and Tren. Some think they can't get a woody because test is not real. I have to tell them you're cashing. All these years. You're getting older. Your body is not going to keep helping you out. The conversion rate is winning. (Only the Boards) Do I have this issue. Never with personal people or those in the game.
Now most 70%. Get Anti-estrogens. Where the hell do these guys learn this stuff at?????
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I had a client with really high rT3. I kind of suspected it and had him get labs pulled and specifically had him get his rT3 checked. In a normal thyroid panel it looks like his thyroid was functioning normally, even closer to hyperthyroidism. However, once rT3 was checked we found that nearly all of his T4 was being converted to rT3 and not T3. Treated with T4 alone is asinine, as it will not do anything to bring down rT3. We tried a combination T3/T4 (25/100) and it didn't put a dent in it. Increase his T3 to 45 mcg (15 mcg 3x a day) and it still did not come down much. He had to go all the way to 60 mcg (20 mcg 3x a day) to get his rT3 and T3 back into the normal range.
This guy has been all over the place when it comes to hormones. On 30 mg a test a day he had a total test of 829, which is garbage and estrogen of 220, which is complete garbage. Said he felt no side effects from the high estrogen... However, as he leans down, I can see some gyno. I think he had it before he came to me, as he was running unsupervised cycles that his gym bros told him to do before, test and d-bol. He was running 600 mg of test and 50 mg of d-bol with no AI or SERM. If a TRT dose had his estrogen at 220, I couldn't even imagine what 3x a TRT dose and d-bol would look like.
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Should I take T3 only for my hypothyroidism?
Should I take T3 only for my hypothyroidism?
July 13, 2018
The thyroid gland makes 2 hormones, T4 and T3. T3 is the active hormone, and the body converts T4 to T3 by deiodinases. Most patients with hypothyroidism are treated with T4, and their doctors assume that it gets converted to T3 physiologically. For many patients this happens, and many patients do well on T4-alone treatment. However, some patients do not do this conversion well, and those patients would do better on a T4/T3 combination. The T4/T3 can be either given as a levothyroxine preparation such as Synthroid, Levoxyl, or Unithroid, plus T3. The brand name of T3 is called Cytomel and the generic is called liothyronine. Another way to get both T4 and T3 is to take desiccated thyroid, which comes from pig thyroid and has both T4 and T3 in it. Desiccated thyroid also has other ingredients in the thyroid that are missing in synthetics.
Dr. Friedman frequently uses different combinations of thyroid medicine, including T4/T3 combinations and desiccated thyroid. However, some more alternative doctors are prescribing only T3 to patients.
Dr. Friedman recommends against this for several reasons. First of all, several studies have shown that T4 gets into the brain much better than T3 does, and once it’s in the brain the T4 can get converted to T3. Therefore, in patients only on T3, the level of thyroid hormone in the brain might be quite low. Additional, T4 has a long half-life and acts as a reservoir, while T3 has a short half-life and needs to be given several times a day if it is not in combination with T4. Dr. Friedman also thinks it is unphysiological to have a very low T4 level, which is what happens if someone is only taking T3.
Because the thyroid converts T4 to T3 and not the other way around, a person with severe hypothyroidism and only on a T3 replacement will have a very low T4 level. If someone was misdiagnosed and really did not have hypothyroidism or has very mild hypothyroidism, the T4 could still be detectable (or even normal) when on only a T3 combination.
Dr. Friedman has recently posted an article about using reverse T3 and does find it useful in some patients. Some alternative doctors are very concerned with keeping the reverse T3 quite low and sometimes use only T3 to lower it. Dr. Friedman does not find this approach to be valid, as with careful monitoring of the reverse T3, patients could be on either a T4 plus T3 combination or desiccated thyroid and still achieve good free T4 and free T3 levels without having a high reverse T3.
If you are hypothyroid and want to take advantage of Dr. Friedman’s expertise in this area, please do not hesitate to make an appointment or visit his website at goodhormonehealth.com.